Christians and Abortion
March 22nd 2008 04:40
The purpose of this blog is to teach basic principals of Christianity. My goal is not to offend anyone or their beliefs but simply educate all people on Christian values according to the bible, not myself or any other person’s agenda. I am saying this because I am going to explain the concept of abortion. Many people believe that a person can be a Christian and also condone abortion either in their own belief system or on another’s behalf via ‘personal choice’. Those that are not willing to learn what the bible, the word of God, has to say on this subject should leave now as it is not my intention to provoke any one to anger but merely to teach right from wrong.
It is a lie, a falsehood, to think that a true Christian could ever consider or suggest that an abortion is okay either in their own lives or to portray that it is okay for other’s to do it as a means to exercise freedom of choice. First of all, to be a Christian means to put others above your self. Therefore the very idea of an abortion is against all that we believe. A Christian would think of the life inside of them as more important than their own convenience. Christianity is not a faith of expediency but a moral standard by which to live our lives each and every day.
If you need more than this to convince you that God forbids this act, I will gladly share some scripture to read so that you may learn through biblically based truths.
• Genesis 1:27-28 (reproduce)
• Exodus 21:22 (recognition that an unborn baby is alive and if it is killed in the womb the murderer shall be punished with his life)
• Psalms 139:13-16 (recognition of an unborn baby as a God made life)
• Ecclesiastes 11:5 (again recognizing the unborn as a life)
• Isaiah 13:18 (prophecy of anger and destruction from God – one of the crimes of the wicked, that the unborn are murdered)
• Isaiah 44:24 (recognition that God makes the unborn in the womb)
To condone evil practices aside from your own life is the same as actually doing it yourself. As Christians we are to teach others right from wrong in a loving but firm manner as it is clearly defined in the bible. To do so hurts no one but can save a soul. If we say that it is a personal choice then we are merely masking an abomination to God with selfishness and holding no one higher than ourselves. It is not ‘her’ body that she is destroying but that of a baby whose heart beats within her.
As for instances of rape; to rape is a crime and should be punished but if a woman kills a baby that is the result of the rape then she is showing less mercy to an innocent person than even the rapist showed her. At least he let her live. If you would say that you have the right to live, why then wouldn’t a baby have that same right? When a criminal is punished the children do not pay with their lives for his crime. Imagine if for every sin you committed a family member was put to death. This does not make sense.
Sometimes even the worst offenses God uses to bring forth something good to the lives that had been afflicted with the injustice. Either we stand for righteousness or wickedness in all of our works… Where do you stand?
It is a lie, a falsehood, to think that a true Christian could ever consider or suggest that an abortion is okay either in their own lives or to portray that it is okay for other’s to do it as a means to exercise freedom of choice. First of all, to be a Christian means to put others above your self. Therefore the very idea of an abortion is against all that we believe. A Christian would think of the life inside of them as more important than their own convenience. Christianity is not a faith of expediency but a moral standard by which to live our lives each and every day.
If you need more than this to convince you that God forbids this act, I will gladly share some scripture to read so that you may learn through biblically based truths.
• Genesis 1:27-28 (reproduce)
• Exodus 21:22 (recognition that an unborn baby is alive and if it is killed in the womb the murderer shall be punished with his life)
• Psalms 139:13-16 (recognition of an unborn baby as a God made life)
• Ecclesiastes 11:5 (again recognizing the unborn as a life)
• Isaiah 13:18 (prophecy of anger and destruction from God – one of the crimes of the wicked, that the unborn are murdered)
To condone evil practices aside from your own life is the same as actually doing it yourself. As Christians we are to teach others right from wrong in a loving but firm manner as it is clearly defined in the bible. To do so hurts no one but can save a soul. If we say that it is a personal choice then we are merely masking an abomination to God with selfishness and holding no one higher than ourselves. It is not ‘her’ body that she is destroying but that of a baby whose heart beats within her.
As for instances of rape; to rape is a crime and should be punished but if a woman kills a baby that is the result of the rape then she is showing less mercy to an innocent person than even the rapist showed her. At least he let her live. If you would say that you have the right to live, why then wouldn’t a baby have that same right? When a criminal is punished the children do not pay with their lives for his crime. Imagine if for every sin you committed a family member was put to death. This does not make sense.
Sometimes even the worst offenses God uses to bring forth something good to the lives that had been afflicted with the injustice. Either we stand for righteousness or wickedness in all of our works… Where do you stand?
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Secondly, the Bible also says that women who have sex out of wedlock should be stoned, ditto for unruly children. Heck, even animals commit stoneable offences according to that "holy" book.
Thirdly, why do you insist on pushing your religious views onto the rest of us? You say it is not your intention to provoke to anger but then you provoke people such as me by having the audacity to write:
"Either we stand for righteousness or wickedness in all of our works… Where do you stand?"
So anyone who doesn't stand with you is wicked, right?
To so brazenly suggest that a woman who has being raped is worse than the man who raped her simply because she chooses to rid her body of the reminder of the incredible injustice she has suffered, shows a lack of so-called Christian 'values'. Oh how benevolent of the rapist to "at least let her live"! Why don't you just give him a medal and hurl a few stones at her while you are at it?
Truth be told, the fact that Bradish agrees with you does not bode well for you either.
Comment by S.L. Bradish
I don't know anything about TBT, but I like this blog because it uses Biblical references for everything. If you're so against the Bible, why are you reading about it?
Comment by Truth B. Told
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Now then, that aside, this blog is a teaching tool- if you don't like what it teaches feel free to go somewhere else and read what you do like. I will not allow rude behavior on my blog. If you think you know the bible so much better than I- please quote it here and let's really get into what the Bible has to say about it. Don't snidely choose snippets and take them out of context to your satisfaction. The only comments answered and kept will be those that are truly searching for the truth, posing questions or those trying to learn something of value.
This area is NOT a means of Christian bashing, political gain, hate mongering, etc. It is a place of learning and growing in the word of God. People like Ruby need not come here, it is a place for Christians or people wanting to become or learn more about Christians, NOT for those who hate Christians to decide to come and ridicule.
As for your comment Ruby: "Truth be told, the fact that Bradish agrees with you does not bode well for you either." That was rude, out of line and an all around disgusting comment. Bradish has a right to her comments, likes and dislikes, etc. just like you. Would it be fair if I went to everyone you 'liked' and posted nice comments for and made a self righteous, egotistical, hate filled remark like that? No, I don't think so. I would never do that to someone as I respect everyone and their own right to choose their path.
As for "why do you insist on pushing your religious views onto the rest of us?" To push my views on the rest of you, I would need to go to your blog and talk about my beliefs.... you came here. You have the choice to read and learn or not... no one is forcing you or pushing you. Everyone has the right to accept or deny Christ and His teachings, they have the right to accept or deny God's laws- This blog is simply stating what those teachings and laws are since they seem to have gotten distorted in our society.
Thank you for your comments. I hope I have been more clear. Have a blessed Easter.
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In my mind, abortion is killing another human being. Even in case of a rape, that child still deserves a chance to live. It's an innocent life and taking it as a means of erasing the crime committed simply involves committing a further crime. It's murder.
I think Ruby somehow missed your stated purpose of the blog. You stated clearly your intentions so if she missed them, there's nothing you can do about that. It was clear that the blog is directed to teaching Christian values, no one is being forced to read nor are they not free to move to another blog if they don't like what they read here.
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I may simply say, "well I don't like this and move on", but that doesn't mean that other, more susceptible people will be able to do the same. Certainly, you have a right to express your opinion and I have a right to comment on that. If you dislike my comments you can delete them.
However, the fact remains that Christians do attempt to enforce their beliefs on others, which the never ending push for the criminalisation of abortion can testify to.
The pro-life movement is a direct threat to the rights of women. When this movement accepts that, though they personally may not like abortion, they have no right to tell others what to do with their bodies, then I will treat the issue as a matter of personal faith and not comment.
I will apologise for my comment about Bradish, I should not have brought my anger about her comments on other sites to your blog. On that issue, I admit my mistake.
Comment by Truth B. Told
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I think that anyone looking to erase the memory of a rape by comitting a greater crime is foolish. The memory will always be there, if one wishes to 'rid' themselves of the 'reminder' there are many people waiting to adopt.
Here's a question to ponder: Should rapists (one time, or repeat offenders) be sentenced to death for their crime? -or- Should every child of a murderer be lined up and executed? The answer should be "no" to both so why is it that abortion is acceptable. Life is life. This is what the bible teaches. We are all children of God in the womb and throughout our physical lives... there is no distinction.
As for your niece Ruby, maybe this is her choice to read and learn as it is yours and everyone elses. If she were to read this and decide not to have an abortion would you not be proud of her action in taking responsibilty for her child? I would. I do not think it is a bad thing to teach the principals of Christianity even if you do. Personally, I would hope that this would be a life changing tool and by the grace of God it will be. If I help someone save one life by teaching the word of God I will be happy because I know that I am doing my job.
Remember, it is her choice to read as it is everyone's choice and if she chooses to follow Christian principals you should respect that just as you expect others to respect your choices.
You have stated your beliefs. You have come here and 'pushed' your beliefs on this arena. I am a Christian and I did not go to your blog and 'push' mine. So your statement: " However, the fact remains that Christians do attempt to enforce their beliefs on others, which the never ending push for the criminalisation of abortion can testify to." --holds no water, as you are the one that is guilty of the very thing you are accusing me of doing.
Again: "The pro-life movement is a direct threat to the rights of women. When this movement accepts that, though they personally may not like abortion, they have no right to tell others what to do with their bodies" this is your opinion and you are entitled to it. You are not yet ready to accept or understand this message or the message in the bible on this matter.
Just for the record when a woman has an abortion she is not killing or aborting herself- so where is it a personal choice because it is her body? That theory is wrong. To stop a heart beat with a violent act is murder. If a woman was aborting herself you might have a point, not that suicide is acceptable or that it is not murder as well, but at least it would be more accurate than to say that "a woman has the right to an abortion because it is her body"--- Do you see the problem with that statement? It is not her body but that of an innocent baby.
Thank you for admitting you were wrong about the comment made earlier about SL Bradish, that was polite of you to correct it.
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and then in blind passion say something like,
You do of course realize that offends people and goes against your 'goal'.
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I love how you bring the Quran into it, your view of it is as warped as that of extremist interpretations. It's cute, keep at it, because all you do is isolate the real muslims while giving the extremists more ammo to hate you. In your effort to feel good about yourself you not only create an enemy for yourself but also alienate any allies you might have had.
Anywho, I don't go around saying 'don't be offended by my views, oh, my views are that you're the presonification of evil and you will burn forever in hell... but you know, don't be offended'.
The sheer hypocrisy is self evident within the article itself and defending it is simply defending your own views, not the neutrality of the article. Trying to turn this against the Quran is no more than a desperate attempt to try and mask your contempt for people who have different faiths.
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I did not one attack anyone, I simply highlighted the hypocrisy of what TB said, on the one hand he/she said that he/she wasn't trying to offend anyone on the other hand she's taking a stance of 'if you don't agree with me then you're wicked and evil'.
The irony is I don't necessarily disagree with her on the topic at hand, I was simply stating the obvious, he/she is contradicting herself and is actually offending people with her views and pushing an agenda by drawing a line of 'you're either evil and disagree with me or you're an angel and agree with me'.
In any case even if I did disagree with him/her it wouldn't be enough to threaten my personal beliefs, I've survived religious persecution and you people sit here thinking I'd be scared of someones opinions. It's pretty funny when I think about it. Your views on religion are very weak, I'd hazzard to say none of you have actually earned your beliefs but simply born into them or inconsequentially found them at your own convenience.
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also if we lived in a society where adoptive/foster/step children were not regularly abused in group homes, church programs, and non-biological parents it may be more appealing to a young woman to go through with an unwanted pregnancy.
unfortunately "illegitimate", "bastard" and "orphan" children are more susceptible to torments and abuses in this world. a woman choosing abortion when she knows her child would have a terrible life is not (in my eyes) selfish, she is acting responsibly.
some people are not capable of raising children well, whether it be due to financial reasons, disbilities, mental health, or other personal reasons, and i dont think theres any real confidence that a child thrown into "the system" would have any real quality of life.
i also think that if the christian faith was serious about reducing the amount of abortions it would be wise to embrace technology that wasnt available when the bible was written and endorse contraceptives and sex education.
as a society we dont really need more hiv babies, heroin withdrawal babies, and homeless babies, suffering terrible lives, including sexual, physical and emotional abuse - women should be able to choose when and where they have children and women should be trusted to make decisions concerning their bodies and whether they reproduce, not men writing religious books, im sure the bible was written in a time when women didnt contribute much to content of publications
an abortion is the removal of an embryo from a womans womb, if the embryo cannot survive without its host that is not more a "murder" than taking a house and food away from a child (which "the system" allows all the time with starvation and homelessness all over the globe) and IS NOT the same as putting a bullet in the head of a newborn or a one year old, or a 10 year old or and 18 year old.
a first trimester abortion is not murder by any stretch of the imagination, yes killing a fully formed human child who lives and breathes on it own is a crime, but no removing an embryo should not be considered a crime.
in cases of rape, incest, child pregnancy, diseased or disabled pregnancy, pregnancys which are medically dangerous to the mother, and pregnancys in extreme poverty im sure there must be shades of grey in the philosophy of christians.
i personally think women should have options and i agree with Ruby when she said:
i do however respect your right to express your ideas and beliefs in this blog post and i thank you for allowing me to express my own opinions in your comments.
personally i am pro-choice and an atheist but it concerns me that young christian women may do themselves harm over guilt they feel over unplanned pregnancy.
it is interesting to see the bible references, i guess it just depends how literally you choose to interpret the passages, how orthodox, traditional or conservative your religious conviction is, and whether you can adapt the sentiment of the original words and put them in context of modern society.
there is a really interesting website called Life & Liberty for women that analyses passages of the bible relating to abortion God, the Bible and Abortion which i would encourage you to read and would also be very interested to hear your own opinions on the passages they cite.
Exodus 21:22-25 doesnt state "abortion" it states "premature birth" and associated injuries to the mother or child caused by men fighting and accidently striking a woman.
These are ancient rules about property law and compensation at a time when a mans wife and children were his property.
Another interesting fact sheet i found is "Biblical Perspectives on Abortion" by Pastor Jack Hughes, Pastor/Teacher at Calvary Bible Church in Burbank, CA.
it is an issue which is much debated and there is plenty of information and different interpretations of the bible.
once again, much respect to you and your beliefs and thanks for the post, i found researching the issue very interesting and i hope it prompts others to do their own research and further educate themselves.
Morgan
Comment by RubySoho
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And when it came to religion, I thought Buddhists were meant to be the most tolerant of the bunch. Thanks Don Lee, you have just given me evidence to use when I criticise all religion and people say to me "well what about Buddhists? Aren't they the nice, peaceful understanding ones?"
And Ahmed, thank you for clearly stating why I found the post so offensive. In hindsight I wished I had waited until I calmed down a little before I commented...but you summed it up beautifully.
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Wh osaid it bothered me? I was merely highlighting the obvious hypocrisy. If you say you don't want to offend people but rather tell them your opinions you won't go out of your way to offend them by calling them 'wicked' because they disagree with you
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Where is your compassion? I do not believe for a minute that it is a good or easy solution and I do think there are a lot of irresponsible girls (some of who I know) who use it as an easy way out, but there are also people who are in real trouble through no fault of their own or have circumstances beyond their control and are in desperate need of help and care. Walk in their shoes before condemning them. And by the way, could I be wrong or is there a lot of violence and attrocities being committed all around the world lately by so called religions (god must be horrified)
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Well, personally I don't think any country should create laws base on the idea of the dominate religion. I mean they can definitly be use as reference, but not to create law using it. Not unless we are call the "Christan commonwealth of Australia" or "The Christian republic of Australia" and honustly those names aren't really right for modern Australia.
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Man wrote the Bible and it is seriously out dated.
Have you ever heard of these ancient creatures called "Dinosaurs"? Have you heard of evolution?
Now Jesus was a good Man, but thats all he was, a Man.
fun fact No47- Jesus was an alcoholic.( its true he ran with a bad crowd in his teens)
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Comment by Lilla
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Here we go again, don;t 'good' Christians ever get sick of bashing 'bad' Christians over the head with bibles .. and Easter isn't even over.
For starters what the hell has the Jewish faith and Laws from 120,000 years in the desert got to do with a Christ and what He taught? ... they strung Him up for God's sake... or did some of us miss that bit?
He taught Choice, Freedom, Independence of Dogma - the Dogma of the day... why else was everyone so bloomin' nervous about Him?
From what I can gather, Jesus was saying something like : Hey People, Don't buy the dogma of these fools who would rule you with fear ...stand firm in your belief ... why do you listen to them, not the Jewish, not the Roman, not the Arab ... FOLLOW YOUR HEART - do what's true to YOU, to God - but above all LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR AS YOURSELF!
Each with their 'own thinking' not some dogma that has been drummed into theirs, or your head...I mean for God's sake, you might as well buy the brain washing of the Al'Queada!!
EACH TO THEIR OWN and TO THEIR OWN MAKER, WHO IS MERCIFUL OF OUR SHORTCOMINGS..... I'll repeat that?
EACH TO THEIR OWN and TO THEIR OWN MAKER, WHO IS MERCIFUL OF OUR SHORTCOMINGS.....
(Oh for God's sake, I'm typing in Capitals again) *slapping forehead* what do I know, I am an eclectic eccentric.
Abortion may well be murder, but I think it is the individuals right to chose, just as anyone can chose to go out and become a serial killer or commit suicide. Not that either is right, and we all agree that we're talking extremes ... things which sit outside of our laws in grey areas of no-mans land, none of us sure what to do with the perpetrators (as we are not God) ... so we lock 'criminals' up for safe keeping - ours.
But this doesn't really deal with the issues of how nice the world would be if nobody stepped across this line, does it? It does start with though shalt not kill I s'pose, but Christians are amongst the worst killers of all species that I have known. However, to neatly wrap it up in a little page of biblical quotes like Friday nights fish and chips, whilst washing our hands clean like Herod, saying... '...off with him he/she/it is a criminal' .. is hardly the BIG answer we all need, is it? Just more fossil fuel for the fire.
We need new original thinking, outside the box here... spatial, unilateral stuff, not dogma.
Perhaps a change in the law that any young person under the age of 21 must (by law), seek out a pastor and talk to him about their decision to abort. It might save a few?
I should think prayers to enlighten souls to be able to live within their conscience a much better antidote than war, not that it will stop anyone from stepping over the line and we are back to square one...but what if one day, no one stepped over the line, because everyone had enough Christ Consciousness and the entire community took that pregnant woman in and cared for her so she wouldn't feel desperate enough to have to abort becuase her good christian parents couldn't accept that she was pregnant in the first place ...
What if no one had to rape women, men or children because they had Christ Consciousness and could control their sickness and everyone 'knew' that vengeance was God's domain, not anyone elses?
That day is coming ... I can dream too.
And BTW in my opinion, those who haven't been raped should just zip it, altogether on having the child or not.
So drop your stones people and have some compassion. There is some duality to life that should be observed first here I think, before you start chanting unity by execution.
Perhaps, the problem came in the opening line of your post TBT in which you stated its purpose was to 'teach' Christian values ... not try to understand them fully ...oops.
Lilla ...
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Let's see if I can write a response as long as all the others and convince people my opinion is more wothty than theirs. And educate them?
My goodness, people. What is your problem? Does it matter to you that much that someone doesn't agree with you? Have any of you lived in the real world, or do you spend all your time in the virtual world?
When you have a job, you don't convert your boss, you just do what he tells you to do. That's how you earn a wage.
Oh, you don't earn a wage? You just sit at your computer all day long tyring to get someone to agree with you? ...
What's the point? You can't educate morons.
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So many people shouting ignorance, but these must be the most typical opinionated and uneducated responses I've ever read.
Its not 'your body' and you cant 'do what you want with it'
Its about time women (& men) started taking responsibility. If you want go around town sleeping with anyone you want, then you have to deal with the consequences (obviously rape is a different issue.) People need to stop being so selfish and think outside of their own problems.
Great post.
I like honest opinions and not politically correct do-gooder pollution like most posts.
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It's clear you didn't read past the first three or four comments as the 'my body' argument was presented only once in one comment.
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Before leaving my comments on this controversial post I did what everyone else should have done.
I read the original post, looked at what its message and its intended audience the I went back to look at the track record of the authors previous posts.
All pretty tame stuff based around Bible study aimed at Bible students. In the few that I read I did not see any evidence of radicalism, bigotry or self righteous condemnation. In other words this post was following a consistent line of thinking that is less provocative than the average.
That being said I think that a lot people need to get a life and realize that the world does not change because some writes something that conflicts with what you believe. By next week no one will care what was said, let alone anyone who is in a position to change the laws.
Damo Has Spoken.
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Comment by Truth B. Told
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First to Ahmed, "I've been through a lot worse and have come out unscathed." It is good to see God has protected you in your life. -- By living a life following the teachings in the bible, it refers to those who do as 'righteous' and those who do not follow the principals it refers to them as 'wicked ways or wicked men'-- I didn't write it, God gave that job to certain men to write what He intended. My job is to share it with others who wish to learn about the Christian faith.
If you still feel like harping on that where I am concerned pick up a bible and read it for yourself. If after reading you feel like asking God why it was written I am sure He would love to hear from you in prayer... by all means please ask Him.
Don Lee, Cathy, Lady Henrietta, Josh, Undercover and Damo: Some of you may not agree with me as I look over some of your past works and read through these comments I get a feeling that a couple of you might disagree with these teachings in their entirety. But, you didn't jump in with hate filled atrocities or blind rages-- instead you made some nice comments and moved on. Damo, you couldn't be more right- this is a bible study, plain and simple. Those who do not have the intention of learning what the bible says shouldn't come to read it.
To everyone: My goal was not to provoke but I will not sit here and sugar coat what it says in the bible, or turn into a foul tempered monster driven by emotion and an egotistical nature. I am a peaceful servant of God. I make mistakes like everyone else as NO ONE is without sin. The only difference between real, devoted Christians and everyone else is that we can admit our sins and then we struggle to learn from them. We search the bible and any instance that makes reference to or talks about the issue, we read and then obey- no matter if it is convenient or not. That alone is what separates a honest mistake from an intentional sin and it is all based upon a willingness to learn right from wrong.
I have seen some rather useless comments that were nothing more than messages of hate on this blog post. Remembering for a moment that I did NOT come to anyone of you and demand that you read this little lesson, I did not post it on your blogs as comments or anything of the like. You all came here to read. I don't know where you were raised but is it customary to come into another person's house and attack them with mean words that have no purpose whatsoever other than to hurt someone else? Shameful, really.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and whether you like it or not, even us Christians are. If you don't agree with the bible, Christian morals or principals then please don't read and instead go somewhere you can enjoy being- somewhere without rules and consequences.
For anyone else that truly wishes to learn more about this faith please stay and we can explore the bible together. This has actually been a wonderful lesson for everyone I think especially those serious about learning to see the hate that Christians must face in life especially if they intend to teach as Christ did.
I invite everyone to read this passage as it directly applies to this issue and the lesson learned here:
Matthew 5:3-12
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Now, i've had 4 pregnancies- the first was the abortion, then I had 2 babies and then a miscarriage. Having the m/c made me feel the pain of the abortion even deeper, now knowing what it was like to lose a wanted baby. And having my children also made me realize that I could have had that baby and made it work, it would have been loved.
I don't think I can accurately describe the emotions I've had through the last ten years in regards to this, and most wouldn't understand unless the'd been through it.
I wish that I hadhad God and Jesus in my life back then so that I wouldn't have made a decision that still haunts me today. Woman and girls have no idea what they are getting into when they agree to this "procedure". The mind feels the loss of the child and so does the body, and it just isn't how its supposed to be.
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...and we continue to demonstrate how we're not trying to offend anyone by using divisive arguments and trolling tactics.
Comment by S.L. Bradish
There are some women so cold and selfish they don't care what happens to their children. Abortion is a handy method of "birth control" for them.
Truth B. Told is absolutely right in saying that abortion is murder. The Bible says so, and TBT uses the Bible to teach. Try learning instead of raving and accusing TBT of trolling tactics. It was clearly said at the beginning of this post that there was no battle intended, just information about the Bible and what God says.
In case you haven't noticed, Ahmed, abortion is a very divisive issue. There is right and wrong, and they tend to divide people, or didn't you know?
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Let me make it more clear:
parading your opinions around like you are definitely right WILL cause problems, when you are trying to tactfully deliver your opinion you do NOT as a rule of thumb speak it in such an arrogant manner that you are right and everyone else who disagrees with you is wrong. You in fact take it a step further, not only are you unabashedly claiming to be right you're also comparing those who disagree with you as cold hearted killers.
Just remmeber the most tyrannical people in history have had a "firm grip on the difference between right and wrong", much like you, it all came down to their stubborness.
There may be a clear right or a clear wrong, just like there is decency and there is hypocrisy.
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Saying that women who have abortions are worse than rapists is not bigotry to you? It is not radicalism? A consistent line of thinking that condemns all non-Christians as wicked is perfectly acceptable to you? Why is this?
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinions- let's not name call or attack. This is a peaceful place for everyone to read and get involved without being taunted or verbally abused.
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And Damo was correct. He read the previous posts and was able to understand that this blog is concerning Christian principles and the Bible. Since you are clearly not interested in either one, but in forcing your own agenda on others, why do you object to anything anyone else has to say? TBT is teaching the Bible here, as applied to Christian principles, while you are trying to shove your love of abortion down the throats of others. Back off!
Comment by Damo
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I don't know where you read the comments that your are quoting but they are not anywhere in the original text of this post.
If you want to start attacking straw men of your own invention then go ahead but it is very obvious.
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As for me... I do agree and I am forwarding this post to everyone in my address book! I love it--- I am a struggling Christian and I have a LOT to learn but as 'truth' has said before ' when in doubt, throw it out.' meaning if there is even the slightest chance it could be against God to do something DON'T take the chance!!!! That covers a lot especially this topic!
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Sorry, I too was mad when I wrote this... I should have taken a moment to breathe before I responded but trash talkers like that Ruby really tick me off. Sorry for the typo.
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On a personal note, I can not understand why anyone would be appalled or horrified at a pro-life person ... their sole goal is to allow life to live-- why is that a bad thing? Seems pretty decent to me.
I liked this blog a lot and I will be coming back to learn what else you have to say TruthB Told.
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Agree with everything you said.
This whole place is going to burn in fire because we are just so selfish.
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To condone evil practices aside from your own life is the same as actually doing it yourself. As Christians we are to teach others right from wrong in a loving but firm manner as it is clearly defined in the bible. To do so hurts no one but can save a soul. If we say that it is a personal choice then we are merely masking an abomination to God with selfishness
As for instances of rape; to rape is a crime and should be punished but if a woman kills a baby that is the result of the rape then she is showing less mercy to an innocent person than even the rapist showed her. At least he let her live.
Either we stand for righteousness or wickedness in all of our works… Where do you stand?
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Theres no worse, no less.
A liar has sin, a murderer has sin.
It is all the same in the eyes of the Lord.
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You call my niece, a young woman whom you have never met a 'slut' and then have the audacity to label me a 'trash talker?'
I am quite perplexed here I must say, I thought the purpose of blogs was to put forward and discuss ideas? I am not disputing TBT's or anyone else right to voice their opinions. I am not "forcing my love of abortion down anyone's throat". I am however, counteracting others opinions with my own.
Isn't that why blogs have a comment section? Isn't that the whole point of Orble?
If you disagree with my opinion, fine, tell me why. Tell me why I am wrong or out of line or why I should reconsider my position. Don't just insult me, swear at my niece who has nothing to do with this whatsoever, and assume that you have made your point.
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I am not sure where you learned comprehension but no where does that passage say what you claim that it says.
Everything was prefaced with the qualification 'as Christians'. TBT is following through in logical steps to present a viewpoint based upon that qualification.
The fact that you disagree with her has no bearing because you are using your moral yard stick to condemn her moral yard stick.
In short you are using your personal ideology to condemn another persons ideology. You might as well just poke you tongue out as it would be no less chauvinistic.
I would encourage TBT to leave all the comments here as it exposes a lot about where people are coming from. Let the chips fall where they may.
Comment by Truth B. Told
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SL, I read that post and it was, to say the least, gut wrenching. Very powerful view point.
Ruby, I think you are fighting against a lot, perhaps in your own life or within your own views and choices... I will pray for you to resolve them.
Jenna, perhaps the term 'slut' was too harsh. I am aware that Ruby admitted that her young niece was sexually active which may qualify 'whoremongering' behavior- But, it doesn't mean that name calling is in order. You are entitled to your own opinions but use kindness and love when choosing your words.
Regardless of the words exchanged here against me or the Christian faith or even against our Lord and Savior- that never is grounds for name calling and lowering ourselves to immature and hateful actions of those against us. Don't allow emotions to run your life and your actions. We are a peaceful and loving people. Remember, be lights for those that are lost!
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As Christians we are to teach others right from wrong in a loving but firm manner as it is clearly defined in the bible.
As Christians we are to teach others right from wrong in a loving but firm manner as it is clearly defined in the bible.
Nope, nothing offensive or aggressive about that comment at all.
And could I please ask that people stop insulting my niece and using her as a weapon against me? As loving, caring Christians you should not find that too difficult I am sure.
I am sorry I got involved in this whole sorry mess. I have learned my lesson, well and truly and will think twice, thrice, four times before I post any more comments on any further blogs.
Ah, I can hear the applause already...
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No, I don't assume, I know everyone has a right to their opinions and they have a right to deliver their opinions in all manner of arrogance.
You happily go from talking about opinions and moving to actions, you're inability to discern between the two probably is why you don't believe people are entitled to opinions.
Tell me bradish, when was the last time someone disagreed with you not wrong?
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Ruby
No one on the planet can convince you that those words are harmless and benign.
You have already taken the position that all Christian text are part of a dangerous cult.
So I figure you will stew over them until a penny drops somewhere and you ask the writer for clarification.
However this does remind me of the controversy that existed over whether all Muslims are terrorists. Such people even had selected Koran quotes to back prove the case. I see similar parallels here.
Luke
Say what you want but you have very little knowledge about the subject of why others believe something.
The question is and always will be about human rights.
Is this human?
If so should what human rights should it have?
Your Christian conspiracy theory does not hold water.
My theory is you just made this crap up in the hope of stirring up more irrational tirades to entertain you.
Am I right or am I right.
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Luke, I am sorry but your choice of words are offensive. When I think of a baby being mutilated and hacked up inside of its mother 'envy' and 'desire' for sex are the furthest things from my mind. If you are not a Christian and do not think as a Christian perhaps you should refrain from guessing what we think or how our thought process works. That comment was pretty disgusting.
Damo, you raise good points. That is exactly what it is about! We believe that a baby has the right to live. A heart beat, brain waves, and constant develop proves that it is a human being that is alive and growing. To put an end to the heartbeat of another person for convenience is murder. To end another's life is a sin(Thou shalt not kill).
The bible states that God knew us in the womb. He acknowledges that we are living human beings from the time of conception.
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