LIE: Jesus was ALL about Love and Forgiveness
July 29th 2008 16:24
I have heard countless people in my years suggest that Jesus came for one purpose… to shower us with love and forgiveness for our sins and allow us to do as we please as long as we repent. This is a horrible lie that ignorant people continue to believe and spread throughout weak minded circles of society.
This is what is referred to as taking something out of context to serve an agenda. Homosexuals, pro-abortion advocates, thieves, adulterers, etc. use this as a means to appear to have faith and live a Christian life but have no desire or fortitude to actually behave in such manner. By simply saying, “No, I don’t want to follow God’s word and laws nor do I have to because Jesus forgives me for what ever I do” is both foolish and untrue.
This is a lie according to Jesus Christ Himself. Please open your bibles to Matthew chapter 5.17-20. You see by this text (as with many others) Jesus reinforces the laws of His Father, God. Jesus came back to YES teach about love and forgiveness but ALSO to remind us that we may not have eternal life until we obey God’s commandments and rules.
Here is some more reading to show Jesus fulfilling prophecy by emphasizing and re-teaching about the laws we should be living by and the standards by which we must live in order to go to heaven when we leave this mortal world:
Matthew 5:17-20
Matthew 7: 21
This is what is referred to as taking something out of context to serve an agenda. Homosexuals, pro-abortion advocates, thieves, adulterers, etc. use this as a means to appear to have faith and live a Christian life but have no desire or fortitude to actually behave in such manner. By simply saying, “No, I don’t want to follow God’s word and laws nor do I have to because Jesus forgives me for what ever I do” is both foolish and untrue.
This is a lie according to Jesus Christ Himself. Please open your bibles to Matthew chapter 5.17-20. You see by this text (as with many others) Jesus reinforces the laws of His Father, God. Jesus came back to YES teach about love and forgiveness but ALSO to remind us that we may not have eternal life until we obey God’s commandments and rules.
Here is some more reading to show Jesus fulfilling prophecy by emphasizing and re-teaching about the laws we should be living by and the standards by which we must live in order to go to heaven when we leave this mortal world:
Matthew 5:17-20
Matthew 7: 21
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Comment by S.L.
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Comment by Truth B. Told
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Comment by Lester Caudill
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As S.L. state in her comment Jesus told them to go and sin no more. When he healed one he told him to go sin no more less a worser thing come upon you. The woman that was taken in the very act of adultery, he said he didn't condemn her, but go and sin no more.
Sin will take the doer thereof to hell, of that they can be sure of. Every eye shall behold Jesus at the Judgment, but only the pure in heart shall see God.
Comment by TBT
Comment by samaritan
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I will welcome homosexuals with love and acceptance. I will have compassion on a woman seeking abortion. I don't believe it's our job to judge people. People generally need love and forgiveness more than they need judgement.
You are right in that Jesus did tell the adulterous woman to sin no more. But before that, he said he did not condemn her. And why didn't any of the other people tell her to sin no more? Because Jesus said that he who was without sin could throw the first stone. No-one was without sin. There are still none of us that are without sin. I don't believe any of us can throw any stones.
But my focus on love and forgiveness does not give me permission to go out and do what I want to do. I believe very strongly in follow Jesus - not just with a statement of faith, but with my whole heart, trying in every single aspect of life to do the things he would want me to do. I will not always follow him perfectly. None of us do. But we must each look to ourselves to see if we are following him as best as we can.
Some people may criticise me for my acceptance of "sinners". But even Jesus was criticised for hanging out with sinners. When he walked this earth, he was around a whole world of them.
Comment by samaritan
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But God sees the heart. God not only knows what we do, he knows why we do it. I believe that some people who say they are Christians will be judged for what you have described here. But only God knows what their heart is really like and so only God can judge that.
Comment by Jason Heim
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By overlooking the call to repentance, Christians and non-Christians alike are taking the responsibility off themselves and licensing themselves to live as they please. A posture of repentance--not a one time commitment--is what God desires from us, and is absolutely essential to following Him.
Comment by TBT
Basically if God did not cover whether or not something is right or wrong then no one has that right to judge it but Him. And we see examples of this all the time in society.
The "don't judge" portion of the bible is often the most misunderstood and misrepresented. It has been used as a platform to accept, condone and advocate wicked behavior. Some Christians feel the need to be politically correct and stand on this platform instead of the word and commandments of God.
Jason, I am aware of this and it is good of you to bring it up. I think that in my ministry here I have talked about that part of Jesus' message. I try and keep each post very small yet powerful so that people can understand each message clearly without losing their attention. Thank you.
As always I encourage people to expand on my short lessons and bring up valid points. Thank you both.
Comment by samaritan
Samaritan's Stories
But there is a difference between accepting someone with love and compassion and condoning their behaviour. And saying nothing about a person's behaviour is not the same as saying what you are doing is okay. If asked, I am not going to lie and say I think something is fine, when I don't think it is. But at the same time, I prefer to concentrate on my own sins rather than the sins of others.
Now I do think there is a place where we need to stand up and speak out. If people are getting hurt, we should never remain silent about it. But I do not think we need to speak out about every sin we see someone committing.
I think it is far better to welcome someone with love and compassion and let the Holy Spirit work in them to convict them of sin. If asked, we should call sin 'sin' and never pretend it's okay. But I think people are far more likely to change (and want to change) when they know they are accepted and loved anyway and when they don't have someone constantly telling them that what they are doing is wrong.
Samaritan
Comment by Truth B. Told
Hidden Eternal Treasures
We are to stand up against lies when ever the opportunity presents itself. These are tests and it measures what kind of Christian we are. When a person is living a lie and suggesting that they are allowed to sin as much or as often as they wish and they are still Christians and it won't matter to God, then that is a lie. We must defend God and His laws if we bear the title of Christian. Remember we are to bear the cross not just the title.
Comment by nightlydvdreview
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There are simply some things that are wrong to do that the Bible advocates doing. We all know it because the world now is a different place than it was then, and the Christian church has changed over the years.
For example: If we followed all biblical teachings, then we would realize there are many more than 10 commandments. It's actually closer to 140. Not allowed to eat pork, so, bye bye bacon. If someone is a pagan (wiccan, or witch), we are to kill them. "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." etc.
We, of course, know that it is wrong to kill people for their beliefs, and we shouldn't stone people to death because it is simply inhumane.
Now, I am not saying that I disagree with the Bible in principal, but I have been told many times over that the old testament has not passed away. I disagree. Some of it has.
I know, you have NEVER advocated doing any of those things, and I am not saying you have. Likewise, I am not saying anything in an attempt to make you question your faith. I am simply pointing out how Christianity is not an absolute and is prone to change. It must change. If it does not, then, like water, it will stagnate and be poisonous. All religions are like that. Look at Islam. Radical Islam has not changed in almost 1000 years. So, they stone someone to death if they are accused of cheating on their husband. They cut off hands for theft. They will stagnate and die.
2nd point. It saddens me when someone makes a choice to have an abortion. However, I think that some Christians go overboard concerning this issue. It is not equated with murder in the Bible.
As I have read, (paraphrased), when someone strikes a woman who is pregnant (this is assumed as being done on purpose) and the woman loses the child as a result, they are to be fined. If the bible, in particular the old testament, would have equated abortion with murder then the killing of the unborn child would have the penalty of death rather than a fine. So, although I disagree with abortion in MOST cases, I can't say that it is murder, although I felt that way at one time.
Comment by Truth B. Told
Hidden Eternal Treasures
God shows us how very loving and kind He is to those who are His children which is to say those who choose to follow Him. This is why He sent His Son to offer to us a New Covenant, which is salvation and a pardon for our sins through the life, the death and the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Even though we are saved by His grace we must keep ourselves from sin, and if we still sin we must repent and sin no more.
First, let me start by addressing the commandment issue. There are commandments and there are directions in the bible. Therefore, the instruction of what to eat and what not to eat are for our benefit. They are instructions for keeping our bodies healthy and safe. I have not found a scripture yet that says you are going to go to hell for eating them, but they are going to hurt your body, your “temple”. For instance you mentioned pork. In biblical times people had no clue whatsoever about the harmful effects of pork. We do now of course, but God had said this to people because it would be harmful to them. The meat is unclean and causes an array of health problems. He wishes for that not to occur.
So, just as we have rules for our children, God has such with us. Now in that frame of thinking, we as parents, have rules for safety to keep our children healthy and happy and if they disobey they will get hurt through their own ignorant or rebellious actions but we are not going to disown them or any such thing. So, it is important to discern the instruction for living from the actual commandments. God knew what He was doing when He said what not to eat, and He did so for our benefit. Imagine all of the heart attacks from eating unclean foods such as pork. Those people have cut their lives short and were not able to live out the extent of a healthy life as a result of it.
Now, in addition to this clarification, and indeed we were told in the Old Testament that these foods are unclean and not to eat them, a New Covenant was made between God and man. In the New Testament some restrictions, including food had been lifted. The food has been sanctified when Christ came back to fulfill prophesy and we entered into a new agreement, we were then allowed to eat restricted food because it was made clean as long as we eat it with thanksgiving to God (1 Timothy 4): “For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.”
Matthew 19:
Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”
As for the abortion issue, the text you referred to has to deal with an accidental miscarriage through a non-lethal action. Scripture has repeatedly associated the unborn with the term “child” and other scriptures stating that God knows us even before we are born when He forms us and he sows us in our mother's wombs, etc. But this specific paraphrasing has to do with something altogether different. It doesn't say in the bible that anyone who accidentally kills another person shall be put to death. Killing a person, with the malicious intent to kill that person is murder. Therefore, abortion is murder as the mother full well knows that the act she is about to do will kill her unborn child. It is not an accident or a miscarriage resulting from another “non-lethal” action.
To properly quote the Old Testament in reference to the text used in your comment:
Exodus 21:12-14
“Anyone who strikes a person with a fatal blow is to be put to death. However, if it is not done intentionally, but God lets it happen, they are to flee to a place I will designate. But if anyone schemes and kills someone deliberately, that person is to be taken from my altar and put to death.
Exodus 21:22-25
“If people are fighting and hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows. But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.
To properly quote the New Testament in regards to Christ's position on the commandments:
In Matthew, Jesus says:
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.”
As far as your comment: “I am simply pointing out how Christianity is not an absolute and is prone to change. It must change. If it does not, then, like water, it will stagnate and be poisonous.”
Christianity IS absolute: Matthew 12:30
ALL scripture shall be used for teaching as it is written- It shall NOT be changed: 2 Timothy 3:16-17
Never Change God's Word: Deut. 4:2, Deut 12:32, Galatians 1:9, Proverbs 30:5-6, Revelations 22:18-19
You see, if you claim to be a Christian than you should uphold all of scripture and not change it.