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LIE: Jesus was ALL about Love and Forgiveness

July 29th 2008 16:24
I have heard countless people in my years suggest that Jesus came for one purpose… to shower us with love and forgiveness for our sins and allow us to do as we please as long as we repent. This is a horrible lie that ignorant people continue to believe and spread throughout weak minded circles of society.

This is what is referred to as taking something out of context to serve an agenda. Homosexuals, pro-abortion advocates, thieves, adulterers, etc. use this as a means to appear to have faith and live a Christian life but have no desire or fortitude to actually behave in such manner. By simply saying, “No, I don’t want to follow God’s word and laws nor do I have to because Jesus forgives me for what ever I do” is both foolish and untrue.


This is a lie according to Jesus Christ Himself. Please open your bibles to Matthew chapter 5.17-20. You see by this text (as with many others) Jesus reinforces the laws of His Father, God. Jesus came back to YES teach about love and forgiveness but ALSO to remind us that we may not have eternal life until we obey God’s commandments and rules.

Here is some more reading to show Jesus fulfilling prophecy by emphasizing and re-teaching about the laws we should be living by and the standards by which we must live in order to go to heaven when we leave this mortal world:

Matthew 5:17-20
Matthew 7: 21
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Comment by S.L.

July 29th 2008 17:12
You're absolutely right, TBT! It's just a means of people excusing all their bad behavior with the idea that they'll be forgiven. They forget that when Jesus forgave sinners, he warned them to "go and sin no more." He never said "keep on sinning and I'll keep on forgiving." Thank you for pointing it out!

Comment by Truth B. Told

July 29th 2008 20:52
Thanks SL, and yes, I do believe you're right

Comment by Lester Caudill

July 30th 2008 10:32
Hey T.B.T. I have heard the argument that once you get save you can go and do what ever you want and you can't be lost, that is just a lie for hell. Jesus died for our sins that we could be clean from them. He will not accept us if we keep sinning.

As S.L. state in her comment Jesus told them to go and sin no more. When he healed one he told him to go sin no more less a worser thing come upon you. The woman that was taken in the very act of adultery, he said he didn't condemn her, but go and sin no more.

Sin will take the doer thereof to hell, of that they can be sure of. Every eye shall behold Jesus at the Judgment, but only the pure in heart shall see God.

Comment by TBT

July 30th 2008 19:59
Excellently said Lester, thak you

Comment by samaritan

August 21st 2008 14:43
I do have a theology that focuses more on love and compassion. It may not have been all that Jesus was about, but it was very important in his ministry. He said that the most important things were to love God and love others. He also spend a lot of time telling us to give more, serve more, love more and judge less. I like Matthew 7:21 that tells us to do the will of our father. I also like Matthew 7:1 that says Judge not, lest ye be judged.

I will welcome homosexuals with love and acceptance. I will have compassion on a woman seeking abortion. I don't believe it's our job to judge people. People generally need love and forgiveness more than they need judgement.

You are right in that Jesus did tell the adulterous woman to sin no more. But before that, he said he did not condemn her. And why didn't any of the other people tell her to sin no more? Because Jesus said that he who was without sin could throw the first stone. No-one was without sin. There are still none of us that are without sin. I don't believe any of us can throw any stones.

But my focus on love and forgiveness does not give me permission to go out and do what I want to do. I believe very strongly in follow Jesus - not just with a statement of faith, but with my whole heart, trying in every single aspect of life to do the things he would want me to do. I will not always follow him perfectly. None of us do. But we must each look to ourselves to see if we are following him as best as we can.

Some people may criticise me for my acceptance of "sinners". But even Jesus was criticised for hanging out with sinners. When he walked this earth, he was around a whole world of them.

Comment by samaritan

August 21st 2008 14:56
I just thought of something else I wanted to add. I think you are right and there are some people who say I'm a Christian and just do what they want to do. But I think the problem lies with the heart more than the actions. For example, a person who really struggles with lying, who wants to stop lying, who prays for God to help them in this area, but still ends up lying at least ten times a day is probably following Jesus more than the person who lies five times a day because it doesn't matter as they're forgiven anyway.

But God sees the heart. God not only knows what we do, he knows why we do it. I believe that some people who say they are Christians will be judged for what you have described here. But only God knows what their heart is really like and so only God can judge that.

Comment by Jason Heim

July 2nd 2009 00:27
How about the other, often ignored branch of Jesus' message on Earth: repent and be baptized? This was the first thing Jesus proclaimed in His ministry. Repent and be baptized in response to the grace already given you. In other words, live up to what is already true of you as a forgiven child of God.
By overlooking the call to repentance, Christians and non-Christians alike are taking the responsibility off themselves and licensing themselves to live as they please. A posture of repentance--not a one time commitment--is what God desires from us, and is absolutely essential to following Him.

Comment by TBT

July 2nd 2009 18:33
Well Good Samaritan this is where you and I disagree. My apologies for not seeing this comment sooner and responding. The bible tells us not to condone and advocate that which is an abomination to God. We are to stand against such things, not embrace them or make excuses for them. Also, when Christians stand up to a lie or wickedness it is not "judging". The bible is clear about this. Judging" is to form your own opinion and damn another for their action as to your belief on whether the act was right or wrong. If you are standing up for God as what He deems righteous or wicked you are not "judging" because it is not your opinion you formed based on your understanding, it is God's. He has set what is right and wrong and has called us to go out and tech which behaviors are right and wrong while spreading the word of love and salvation.

Basically if God did not cover whether or not something is right or wrong then no one has that right to judge it but Him. And we see examples of this all the time in society.

The "don't judge" portion of the bible is often the most misunderstood and misrepresented. It has been used as a platform to accept, condone and advocate wicked behavior. Some Christians feel the need to be politically correct and stand on this platform instead of the word and commandments of God.


Jason, I am aware of this and it is good of you to bring it up. I think that in my ministry here I have talked about that part of Jesus' message. I try and keep each post very small yet powerful so that people can understand each message clearly without losing their attention. Thank you.



As always I encourage people to expand on my short lessons and bring up valid points. Thank you both.

Comment by samaritan

July 2nd 2009 23:28
Hi TBT,

But there is a difference between accepting someone with love and compassion and condoning their behaviour. And saying nothing about a person's behaviour is not the same as saying what you are doing is okay. If asked, I am not going to lie and say I think something is fine, when I don't think it is. But at the same time, I prefer to concentrate on my own sins rather than the sins of others.

Now I do think there is a place where we need to stand up and speak out. If people are getting hurt, we should never remain silent about it. But I do not think we need to speak out about every sin we see someone committing.

I think it is far better to welcome someone with love and compassion and let the Holy Spirit work in them to convict them of sin. If asked, we should call sin 'sin' and never pretend it's okay. But I think people are far more likely to change (and want to change) when they know they are accepted and loved anyway and when they don't have someone constantly telling them that what they are doing is wrong.

Samaritan


Comment by Truth B. Told

August 4th 2009 22:25
Well Samaritan, again, this is where we disagree. You see scripture says we are to look at our own sins but we are also to help others as well. If someone is clearly doing something that is outside the will of God but claims to be a Christian we need to explain what the problem is and how they can correct it. Just as we should welcome if a fellow Christian came to us with sins that they have seen us commit. This is called fellowship, love and encouragement. It is the same principle that if a neighbors house was on fire would you not tell them to get out? If a Christian or a believer in God is sinning we need to love them enough to remind them that their actions will keep them from eternity in heaven and they are working to spend an eternity apart from God.

We are to stand up against lies when ever the opportunity presents itself. These are tests and it measures what kind of Christian we are. When a person is living a lie and suggesting that they are allowed to sin as much or as often as they wish and they are still Christians and it won't matter to God, then that is a lie. We must defend God and His laws if we bear the title of Christian. Remember we are to bear the cross not just the title.

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