Liars: Homosexuality (Part Three)
November 3rd 2008 02:45
Welcome to the third installation of what liars want you to believe. Liars have said repeatedly that there is no reference in the bible to homosexuality, and that God doesn’t care if a person is gay. Well again, the proof is there in black and white. Please read the following scriptures on the subject. Of course there are more but really only one is needed to prove a liar to be a liar.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
“Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God”
1 Corinthians 6:18-19
“Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. 19 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit [who is] in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?”
Revelations 21:5-9
And He said to me, "Write, for these words are true and faithful." 6 And He said to me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. 7 "He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. 8 "But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
“Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God”
1 Corinthians 6:18-19
“Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. 19 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit [who is] in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?”
Revelations 21:5-9
And He said to me, "Write, for these words are true and faithful." 6 And He said to me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. 7 "He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. 8 "But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
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Comment by S.L.
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Either way, homosexuality and abortion are both clearly mentioned in the Bible and God certainly doesn't approve. Good post and thanks for the referrences!
Comment by Norm
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Comment by Lady Henrietta Muddling
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Some of them make absurd statements in relation to Sacred Scripture (the Bible).
It doesn't take long to refute such baseless arguments such as 'There are no references to homosexuality in Sacred Scripture (the Bible).'
Why don't they do their research and say/write, I know there are references in the Bible to homosexuality, but I don't agree with them? That's a bit of a rhetorical question, btw. They tend to make the answer quite obvious.
As to SLBs comment?:
Here is another one that wasn't mentioned:
For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature. And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error.
I've always found reading a text extremely useful when one wants to quote from it.
Comment by RubySoho
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Judge not, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Wasn't that a quote from Christ?
As much as I don't want to disagree with anyone on their chosen religion I have to agree with Ruby on this. It doesn't encourage me from disliking homosexuals but does make me think the more I hear about the bible, the more I hear hate and fear and the more I dislike the book and its teachings.
I'm awfully glad that there aren't still people being put to death for speaking out against their parents or committing adultery. Do I condone adultery? Not in the least, I actually think it's detestable, but I certainly think any sensible person would know that it is something that should not be punishable by death.
We constantly hear Islam being slammed when the fundamentalists still put into practice things like stoning someone to death and rightly so. But it is not only in the Qur'an, it is also in the bible. It is just that most of society has moved on from these barbaric and outdated practices. Maybe society should move on from the other outdated parts of the bible too. I would like to think we are more enlightened as people than they were 2000 years ago. Maybe learning tolerance would be a good place to show that enlightenment.
Comment by Anonymous
The complete passage describes how a group of Christians left the church, converted to Paganism, and engaged in orgiastic, presumably heterosexual sexual activities. This type of behavior was common among Pagan fertility religions in Rome during Paul's time. Paul writes that, later, God "gave them over" to something new: homosexual behavior. This implies that they had a heterosexual orientation and had engaged only in heterosexual sex throughout their lifetime. God influenced them in some way to engage in homosexual orgies. This was, for them, an unnatural, and thus sinful, activity.
Paul criticized them because they were engaged in sexual activity which was unnatural for them. For a person with a heterosexual orientation, homosexual behavior is "shameful," "unnatural," "indecent," and a "perversion." The passage in Romans is not a condemnation of homosexual behavior. Rather, it disapproves of sexual behavior that is against a person's basic nature (i.e. homosexual behaviors by people whose orientation is heterosexual).
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I'll commit the sin of loneliness soon.
Comment by Damo
How can loneliness be a sin?
Dogs hunt in packs.
Lemming fall off cliff together.
Lynch mobs need the mob.
Communism needs its commune.
Hate mongers need to congregate so that they cannot face their own insecurities.
All these people who use their own moral yard stick to judge others crack me up.
It must hard living in a world where you know that your whole mental empire is on the verge of being discredited. No wonder people only want freedom of speech to apply to themselves.
Perhaps the guilty conscience does prick the mind.
I think it is better to be despised for showing a little independent thought than to follow the crowd like cattle.
Comment by Anonymous
For a homosexual the sin would be to enter into heterosexual acts that did not come naturally to them.
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Read and interpret it anyway you want!
Have a good day!!!
Comment by S.L.
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I'm not a Biblical scholar, by any means. But you invited us to "interpret it any way you want." It doesn't say to me that God made them gay. It was a punishment for their own misdeeds. Taking things out of context never works, at least on anyone who can think and read.
Comment by Always Eighteen
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I've recently finished reading the Gospel of Luke and now have nearly finished John. Before anyone bags the Bible out, I think they should read it to its entirety first.
One thing that made everyone hate Jesus so much, one thing that made him so controversial is that he didn't exclude sinners. He hung out with prostitutes and tax collectors, he explored all the taboos.
I think if Jesus was here right now, he wouldn't be bagging on the gays. I know I can't debate whether homosexuality is a choice or if it's in our genes or if it is ultimately a "sin," but I know for sure that someone like Jesus wouldn't neglect a person for being a person.
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Well said.
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Then I realized, the only words we have of Gods are actually written by men. And all men are imperfect. So it stands to reason they wrote what they wanted, not what God or Jesus wanted. Its impossible to know the truth.
Please dont put words in Jesus' mouth. We killed the poor bastard, otherwise he'd still be here setting it all to rights. Dont any of you realize how historical sources are distorted?
Comment by TBT
For all of the readers that are paying attention to the blog post and are here to learn . Notice how the liars are trying extra hard to get you to abandon your faith and continue to tell you that Jesus would be fine with you sinning as much or as often as you wish.
Remember Jesus said in Matthew that He did not come to abolish His Father's laws but to fullfill them. He did teach love and kindness and not to kill someone for a lesser crime than murder itself, etc. but He made it clear over and over to follow all of His Fathers laws and not to pick and choose as liars would have you believe.
Comment by S.L.
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Again, this is a Bible study for those of us who want to learn what the Bible (and God) have to say on a variety of subjects. If you don't want to learn, then go somewhere else. There are plenty of other books you can check out, all written by men. Some good and some bad. But don't disturb the class with lies and excuses. And don't annoy the teacher!
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Comment by Truth B. Told
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AltEd- This is a Christian bible study... which means a study of the bible. The bible and the dictionary both have the clear definition of the term liar in it for you to read. I have heard many peopl say the LIE that the bible never says anything about homosexuality and in fact Jesus would have said that it was okay. This is a LIE. By ALL definitions.
The bible clearly states that it is a sin repeatedly. Secondly, Jesus said that He did not come to get rid of His Father's laws but to fulfill them... and He said "if you love me, you will obey me." I never read that if you feel like commiting a sin, please go right ahead. Or please pick and choose what laws you wish to live by and it will be all good.
It is clear that you choose not to believe and that you are simply here to criticize others for their beliefs. So, if you don't wish to participate in a study to become a good person please leave and live your life as you see fit. We all will be judged one day and if you are ready to defend your lifestyle and believe that you are a righteous individual that needs not, why come here.
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Moving on...
Whatever Jesus would have done is irrelevant, because I'm not Jesus, nor do I play Him on TV. I've sinned and will continue to do so, but Jesus never did. Jesus came for the Jews of the time who used religion to oppress and bond the people. The gospels are a type of transition between the Jews Only time to the Welcome the Gentiles Too time!
We all have a freewill which allows us to sin and even try to justify our sins, but the Book speaks for itself. Paul is addressing the Romans that had all sorts of 'trash' running in their streets at the time. He points out that homosexuality is a sin, but God can't stop you if that is what you choose to do! Does he still love you? Yes but he doesn't love the sin.
He also speaks about other sins that are being committed, but the topic here is homosexuality.
Again, since religion and politics are strong beliefs and everyone differs, I don't want to impose my beliefs on you therefore it isn't open to arguments because you cannot impose your beliefs on me.
To those who say read the whole thing, I have. I've done so with a Concordance and with the internet. You must know how to read it and what ties it all from Genesis to Revelation.
My opinion on homosexuality doesn't matter any more than the homosexual's opinion on heterosexuality. I have gay friends and their lifestyle is their lifestyle. I am not their judge on what awaits them in the afterlife.
I am a firm believer in the separation of church and state and do believe that matters such as gay marriage should be handled by the state and not the church. But that is a whole blog in itself!